Full Build Log of the 2012 Genesis Sound Quality System. :)

simplicityinsound · Jun 30, 2012

As promised, here is the full and complete build log for the Hyundai Genesis i did.

Knowing that this is not a car audio forum, a few quick things...

this car's top priority is sound quality, it will compete a high level, and thus the large relatively on axis dash pods...whcih is more or less the norm in high end SQ...

it will also compete in install judging, where we can judged by a very strict set of rules...and this is why its detail overload

just wanna clarify it to avoid a whole bunch "oh my i cant imagine having dash pods that big" type of statements

...but this is the customers daily driver and he hasnt even mentioned it in the month or so hes had it back.

once again, thanks goes out to this forum for providing very useful info during my build.

Since its got almost 600 pics, i wont repost it here but will just link it from my original post on DIYmobileaudio:

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum...-2012-genesis-sedan-600-pics.html#post1660547

Mark_888 · Jun 30, 2012

Quote from the link above:

"The reason why there is a DVD changer in the car is that I was concerned about the ultimate SQ of the oem signal source, since it’s a MOST system with no pre-amp adaptors current available, we had to tap the signal AFER [I assume he means AFTER] the stock amp. To ensure that ultimately, this does not affect the car in judging, a Pioneer Premier XDV-P9 was utilized, set in stand lone mode and essentially provides a audiophile quality secondary signal source with its onboard 24-bit DACs."

As I suggested a long time ago, this is a much better idea.

gameday22 · Jun 30, 2012

Truly amazing build, thanks for the link and pictures !

PMCErnie · Jun 30, 2012

Phenomenal, I'm sure, but I'll pass on those A pillar speakers. Good job on the write-up!

Ruissimo · Jun 30, 2012

I just spent a half an hour drooling over that... what an INSANE build!

Well done.

God Bless your little fuzzy boots.

CHKYWUKY · Jun 30, 2012

WOW!!! That system is amazing.The owner must be very happy with the outcome.I'm curious about the cost of a system of that nature.Its just amazing!!!

Mark_888 · Jun 30, 2012

CHKYWUKY said:
WOW!!! That system is amazing.The owner must be very happy with the outcome.I'm curious about the cost of a system of that nature.Its just amazing!!!

Simplicityinsound previously said you should PM him for that info. But after looking at the parts list, I would estimate $20-25K for the parts, and another $25-25K for labor and outsourced fabrication.

But Simplicityinsound mentioned in his link that he received "sponsorship" from Orca, which is the US distributor for many of the products used for this install: Focal (speakers), Mosconi (amps), and Allusion Audio (subs). Exactly what "sponsorship" means in this particular case is hard to know, so it is hard to know what car owner paid, or what the arrangement on labor charges was.

DominicJE · Jun 30, 2012

Wow very nice!

I actually like the Equus emblem look for the front as well lol. I didn't think it would look good but it actually does.

simplicityinsound · Jul 1, 2012

i am a bit unsure myslf of a few of the cosmetic pieces on the car...but overall i think it paints a nice picture

as for cost...those figures are way off...as in way too high

on both categories. as for sponsorship, its basically a hefty discount on gear thats about 30-40 percent below minumum advertised price (MAP) even at full retail the gears dont add up to anywhere near 25k

Mark_888 · Jul 1, 2012

simplicityinsound said:
even at full retail the gears dont add up to anywhere near 25k

I guessed $20-$25K, not $25K.

1 Pair - L/R Fronts (A-Pillar and Door) - Focal Utopia Be #7 - $5,500 http://www.crutchfield.com/S-01MktUXgmhd/p_091NO7/Focal-Utopia-Be-No-7.html
L/R Rears - not sure what is installed
4 Mosconi Zero Amps - $8,000 if lucky
2 Illusion Audio Carbon XL 12” Subwoofers - probably at least $3,000 for the pair
Pioneer Premier XDV-P9 dvd changer - $500
Mosconi 6to8 DSP - $750
Zapco - There was some Zapco processor in the orginal build, not sure if replaced by the Mosconi DSP
Braille Endurance Battery B10049 - $283.10
High end cables, connectors, techflex sleeving, LED lighting - $2,000

Looks to me like getting close to $20K in parts (but dealer/installer cost is less).

Labor and custom frabrication? Someone posted on the thread linked above "Over 2.5 months of blood, sweat and tears." I don't know what you charged the Genesis owner, I only guessed what that amount of time is worth.

simplicityinsound · Jul 1, 2012

Mark_888 said:
I guessed $20-$25K, not $25K.

1 Pair - L/R Fronts (A-Pillar and Door) - Focal Utopia Be #7 - $5,500 http://www.crutchfield.com/S-01MktUXgmhd/p_091NO7/Focal-Utopia-Be-No-7.html

L/R Rears - not sure what is installed

4 Mosconi Zero Amps - $8,000 if lucky

2 Illusion Audio Carbon XL 12” Subwoofers - probably at least $3,000 for the pair

Pioneer Premier XDV-P9 dvd changer - $500

Mosconi 6to8 DSP - $750

Zapco - There was some Zapco processor in the orginal build, not sure if replaced by the Mosconi DSP

Braille Endurance Battery B10049 - $283.10

High end cables, connectors, techflex sleeving, LED lighting - $2,000

Looks to me like getting close to $20K in parts (but dealer/installer cost is less).

Labor and custom frabrication? Someone posted on the thread linked above "Over 2.5 months of blood, sweat and tears." I don't know what you charged the Genesis owner, I only guessed what that amount of time is worth.

so other than the battery, you got almost nothign even remotely close. lol in some caes off by thousands of dollars...

i mean seriously, do you really hav to prove to anyone with car audio knowledge that you are truly clueless?

but keep at it, it will make for another good laughing link over at diyma.

and um...zapco processor? original build? did you even read the log?

everything at FULL retail is not close to 20k...unless you call 15-20 percent less "close" and as i am sure you know, no one pays full retail...maybe you do, but i dont know too many people that does

true cost of what the customer paid on the gear would be far far below the 20k mark.

Mark_888 · Jul 1, 2012

simplicityinsound said:
so other than the battery, you got almost nothign even remotely close. lol in some caes off by thousands of dollars...

i mean seriously, do you really hav to prove to anyone with car audio knowledge that you are truly clueless? but keep at it, it will make for another good laughing link over at diyma.

and um...zapco processor? original build? did you even read the log?

everything at FULL retail is not close to 20k...unless you call 15-20 percent less "close" and as i am sure you know, no one pays full retail...maybe you do, but i dont know too many people that does

true cost of what the customer paid on the gear would be far far below the 20k mark.

I got the price of the Focal Utopia Be #7 straight off Crutchfield website (link provided), which is below MSRP (but you do get a nice metal carrying case for that price). In another post you said the Mosconi amps were about $2K each, and I verified that (assuming one gets a hefty discount from retail). But I understand there is a big difference between dealer cost and retail, and in this case maybe even bigger difference between "sponsorship" cost and retail. So if $20K for is 15% too high, that would put it at $17K for just for the gear. But if you had to repeat the build for someone else, would the gear cost be the same (is sponsorship available for every build)? I don't know many installers who sell the customer the gear at their cost, usually there is some markup on components. But I understand that this install was probably a special case.

Labor is a tough one, since you probably quoted a fixed price up front and decided to put a lot more effort into it than originally planned. My estimate was based on what it would cost on a repeat build without any special deals on gear or labor. You can't spend that kind of time on every build without getting fairly compensated, even if you do it occasionally.

No reason to get paranoid about my estimates, just trying to help out members who are curious. Nice job on the install.

simplicityinsound · Jul 1, 2012

Mark_888 said:
I got the price of the Focal Utopia Be #7 straight off Crutchfield website (link provided), which is below MSRP (but you do get a nice metal carrying case for that price). In another post you said the Mosconi amps were about $2K each, and I verified that (assuming one gets a hefty discount from retail). But I understand there is a big difference between dealer cost and retail, and in this case maybe even bigger difference between "sponsorship" cost and retail. So if $20K for is 15% too high, that would put it at $17K for just for the gear. But if you had to repeat the build for someone else, would the gear cost be the same (is sponsorship available for every build)? I don't know many installers who sell the customer the gear at their cost, usually there is some markup on components. But I understand that this install was probably a special case.

Labor is a tough one, since you probably quoted a fixed price up front and decided to put a lot more effort into it than originally planned. My estimate was based on what it would cost on a repeat build without any special deals on gear or labor. You can't spend that kind of time on every build without getting fairly compensated, even if you do it occasionally.

No reason to get paranoid about my estimates, just trying to help out members who are curious. Nice job on the install.

fair enough, your estimate on the amps came closest, but you were still over a grand off...

as for the speakers...see if you were knowledgable into car audio, you would right away know why your price quote and waht you looked at online is incorrect on the focal speakers and why its thousands of dollars more than what was used in the hyundai.

as for labor, i quote a steady price and always intended on going all out for this build

but its far below what you are even remotely suggesting

i dont sell gear at my cost of course, but i hardly sell at full retail even to a normal non sponsored customer. there is always room between MAP and MSRP.

i am not paraniod, i just wish you get some more knowledge into this whole thing before you make posts, because it really makes you sound a bit uneducated...it just seems you are googling various things and copy and pasting things to prove something when the reality is so different and you fail to grasp the details.

same ole story from the old signal post...but oh well.

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Mark_888 · Jul 1, 2012

simplicityinsound said:
fair enough, your estimate on the amps came closest, but you were still over a grand off...

as for the speakers...see if you were knowledgable into car audio, you would right away know why your price quote and waht you looked at online is incorrect on the focal speakers and why its thousands of dollars more than what was used in the hyundai.

as for labor, i quote a steady price and always intended on going all out for this build but its far below what you are even remotely suggesting

i dont sell gear at my cost of course, but i hardly sell at full retail even to a normal non sponsored customer. there is always room between MAP and MSRP.

i am not paraniod, i just wish you get some more knowledge into this whole thing before you make posts, because it really makes you sound a bit uneducated...it just seems you are googling various things and copy and pasting things to prove something when the reality is so different and you fail to grasp the details.

same ole story from the old signal post...but oh well.

b

If you want to detail all the costs (retail and discounts given), that would be great, but you asking people to PM you instead, so I took a shot. Being 15-20% off isn't bad IMO, especially since I don't know your sponsorship cost, or what you agreed to charge this particular customer. I did the best I could, and probably a lot closer than anyone else on this forum would have guessed.

More relevant than what your customer paid for this competition install (which "appears" to be discounted for parts and labor because it gives your distributor and yourself lots of publicity), is what you would charge another Genesis owner tomorrow for the exact same install.

simplicityinsound · Jul 1, 2012

Mark_888 said:
If you want to detail all the costs (retail and discounts given), that would be great, but you asking people to PM you instead, so I took a shot. Being 15-20% off isn't bad IMO, especially since I don't know your sponsorship cost, or what you agreed to charge this particular customer. I did the best I could, and probably a lot closer than anyone else on this forum would have guessed.

More relevant than what your customer paid for this competition install (which "appears" to be discounted for parts and labor because it gives your distributor and yourself lots of publicity), is what you would charge another Genesis owner tomorrow for the exact same install.

competition install means one thing, its built for the purposes of scoring well in MECA, IASCA and maybe USACi competitions, both for sound quality and for install. so specific steps need to be taken to ensure that. on the install side specifically, it prolly wont affect the soun at all, but extra steps need to be performed to do well in install judging. i suggest oyu go to mecacaraudio.com for example, and download the full rulebook to get an idea of what we are being judge on

you were almost 50 percent off, so i am not sure how close you got

and if i were to replicate the system with zero sponsorship, you would still be over 10k off in your estimate

now you figure out why your focal utopia no. 7 pricing research is wrong yet?

QCTLG · Jul 1, 2012

Wow...once again our friendly neighborhood startanargumentman has completely derailed this thread.

simplicityinsound,

Absolutely beautiful job. The job and final product is beyond beautiful.
Again, I would kill to see "JUST ONE" of your builds but more this one in particular!!!

I hope that the owner of that Genesis comes to this place and talks about this build of yours.
I would kill to hear it!
Come to think of it, it's better that I don't!

Sincerest regards,

UmALum1990 · Jul 31, 2012

Off the charts install. I cannot begin to imagine how this sounds. Not even the db's, but just the sonics of the system. I have heard Focal Be speakers in a home audio set up, and they are sweet. And to anyone who is intimidated by the speaks on the front pillars, close your eyes!!

InTheLou · Aug 19, 2012

simplicityinsound said:
As promised, here is the full and complete build log for the Hyundai Genesis i did.

Knowing that this is not a car audio forum, a few quick things...

this car's top priority is sound quality, it will compete a high level, and thus the large relatively on axis dash pods...whcih is more or less the norm in high end SQ...

it will also compete in install judging, where we can judged by a very strict set of rules...and this is why its detail overload

just wanna clarify it to avoid a whole bunch "oh my i cant imagine having dash pods that big" type of statements ...but this is the customers daily driver and he hasnt even mentioned it in the month or so hes had it back.

once again, thanks goes out to this forum for providing very useful info during my build.

Since its got almost 600 pics, i wont repost it here but will just link it from my original post on DIYmobileaudio:

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum...-2012-genesis-sedan-600-pics.html#post1660547

Great job, too bad the space program isn't going full blast anymore, your work is comparable to what they used to do with Mercury, Gemini and Apollo, then the Shuttles.
Question? Who made the OEM stereo amp, speakers, etc.? I know it's branded a Lexicon, but Harmon owns JBL, Alpine, Mark Levison, Infinity, AKG and even Clarion in the day, I just wonder what type of speakers, tweeters and amps they used and if there was any names on them? Lexicon actually got in big trouble a few years ago for putting a $500 OPPO DVD player inside their case and charging $3500 (you can google it). Love the Genesis sound system, have a high end Harmon in a Saab that is comparable though, but your knowledge of what they used? Again, great, great, work. You have some skills (and patience).

krunchy · Aug 20, 2012

Awesome installation! I was hoping you would post something of the install and this is way beyond my expecations. Thanks for posting in such great detail.

simplicityinsound · Aug 26, 2012

just a quick update

The car made its sound quality competition debute this past weekend, competing at a MECA (www.mecacaraudio.com) sanctioned event I helped sponsor by paying for nice plaques.

but trust me i didnt pay off the judges hehe, cause my own car got raped so badly on points lol

here is the result for the Genesis

1st place Sound quality Modified class (biggest class of the day with 5 nice cars in it)

1st place Installation quality Modified Class

1st Place Sound Quality two seat judging

still a lot of improvements to be made...but a good start!

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