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Review and Info on Upgrading my Genesis 3.8 from 2009 Suspension to 2010

hazelwood7 said:
The parts are not difficult to install. It's basic automotive repair, it just takes time. Hyundai did not do anything crazy. The springs and shocks can be popped in like any other car and the rear sway bar is four bolts.
Chris
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I plan on doing it myself, when I free up some time and finances. Lately, all my automotive budget (time and money) has been spent getting a '92 Miata up to date...replaced the clutch, suspension, oil seals, installed roll bar...etc, etc. The Genesis will have to wait another season.
 
I wonder if anyone has heard what they plan to do for the 2011 suspension. Bring in the adjustable Korean version as a option???
 
GripperDon said:
I wonder if anyone has heard what they plan to do for the 2011 suspension. Bring in the adjustable Korean version as a option???
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I doubt it. The suspension is "good enough" in the 2010 and they are still looking to undercut the competition by thousands. An adjustable air suspension would add thousands to the price. I think try want to keep the top end v8 in the low 40,000's.
Chris
 
I wanted to give a one month update after the upgrade to tell you if my original comments still stand. They still stand that but I would add that the bounciness/bumpiness of the ride has been improved closer to 80%. This is a must upgrade for those who have early 09 suspensions. It has made a major difference in the enjoyment of the car. I no longer desire to get rid of the car have been enjoying my time with the Genesis. This is the car they should have made from the beginning. I like firm riding cars but the upredictable nature of the early 09 suspension drove me nuts. The suspension in the 2010 is predictable and reliable to what will happen when a certain bump in the road or joint is driven over. This alone is worth the upgrade. The Genesis feels more "button down" and really shows with the upgraded parts when passengers are sitting in the back. The ride is much more compliant. I would also like to point out that before I did the suspension upgrade I compared my car with 2010. I could clearly bounce the backend of my car up and down by hand while the 2010 did not move. After the 2010 suspension upgrade I am happy to report that my car acts identical to the 2010 tester model and the rear end can't be bounced by hand. I would not hesitate to recommend this upgrade. It is a must for those with early 09 cars.
Chris
 
Disaster said:
I plan on doing it myself, when I free up some time and finances. Lately, all my automotive budget (time and money) has been spent getting a '92 Miata up to date...replaced the clutch, suspension, oil seals, installed roll bar...etc, etc. The Genesis will have to wait another season.
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Read my post above. I explain that this is a must upgrade for those with early 09 suspension issues.
 
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Guys I wonder if something else isn't going on here. I have a July 2008 built 3.8 that rides fine. It is harsh or "sporty", but handles like a dream. I have never felt out of complete control on either smooth or very rough roads. After reading Chris' post I went out and tried to push down on the rear of my Genny. You couldn't get it to move if you jumped on it. Could some weak, worn or bad parts be involved?
replacing them with new parts, 2009 or 2010 would make a difference.
 
Yoda said:
Guys I wonder if something else isn't going on here. I have a July 2008 built 3.8 that rides fine. It is harsh or "sporty", but handles like a dream. I have never felt out of complete control on either smooth or very rough roads. After reading Chris' post I went out and tried to push down on the rear of my Genny. You couldn't get it to move if you jumped on it. Could some weak, worn or bad parts be involved?
replacing them with new parts, 2009 or 2010 would make a difference.
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No, it is not weak, worn or bad parts. Hyundai boasted that they improved the 2010 suspension, so why would they do that unless it needed to be improved?

Why don't you test drive you car and 2010/2011 over some rough roads.
 
Mark_888 said:
No, it is not weak, worn or bad parts. Hyundai boasted that they improved the 2010 suspension, so why would they do that unless it needed to be improved?

Why don't you test drive you car and 2010/2011 over some rough roads.
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My 2009 Genesis is in my garage on rails with tires off and deflated. Basically in storage until I get it paid down and get rid of it and not racking up miles on it. Decided not to waste the money on getting the suspension fixed. One day soon I will trade it for something a bit nicer.... like a golf cart :)
 
Seattle Genesis said:
My 2009 Genesis is in my garage on rails with tires off and deflated. Basically in storage until I get it paid down and get rid of it and not racking up miles on it. Decided not to waste the money on getting the suspension fixed. One day soon I will trade it for something a bit nicer.... like a golf cart :)
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You'd be financially better off upgrading the suspension then letting it sit and depreciate like that.
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Hey "Disaster" have you checked out the coilover shocks/system from ARK? Anyone else? The use of the system was described in the "lowering a Genesis sedan" thread. The big drawback for me is the cost. If I thought that I could soften the suspension by using the ARK equipment I would buy it immediatelly even at the hefty (app. $1400) price. I can say that lowering the tire pressure to 30lbs did make a noticable difference and I imagine using tires noted for a smooth, comfortable ride (Michelan MXVs for example) will help out even more. Is this entire issue of too firm a ride about spring rate or heft (I can't think of a better term)? If an aftermarket company designed springs that were less stiff would the issue be solved? It's a really good car but I'm just not that happy with the taut ride and much like Seatle Genesis I'm contemplating just jumping ship, losing about 8K and moving on. Yes the financial loss is painful but driving a car for months or years that dosen't please you well that's even more expensive. I figure the cost of trading in my vehicle right now (three months after I bought it) would be about 6 to 8k. A big loss but being really happy with my car...priceless.
 
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Vince2 said:
Hey "Disaster" have you checked out the coilover shocks/system from ARK? Anyone else? The use of the system was described in the "lowering a Genesis sedan" thread. The big drawback for me is the cost. If I thought that I could soften the suspension by using the ARK equipment I would buy it immediatelly even at the hefty (app. $1400) price. I can say that lowering the tire pressure to 30lbs did make a noticable difference and I imagine using tires noted for a smooth, comfortable ride (Michelan MXVs for example) will help out even more. Is this entire issue of too firm a ride about spring rate or heft (I can't think of a better term)? If an aftermarket company designed springs that were less stiff would the issue be solved? It's a really good car but I'm just not that happy with the taut ride and much like Seatle Genesis I'm contemplating just jumping ship, losing about 8K and moving on. Yes the financial loss is painful but driving a car for months or years that dosen't please you well that's even more expensive. I figure the cost of trading in my vehicle right now (three months after I bought it) would be about 6 to 8k. A big loss but being really happy with my car...priceless.
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Can you tell us whether you have a 2010 model or 2009?

Most of the people who complained about the 2009 suspension and who upgraded with 2010 suspension parts are reasonably satisfied with the ride, or those who have only done a test drive of a 2010 have said they probably would be relatively satisfied with the 2010 suspension upgrades.

But if you still think the 2010 is too harsh for you, I would suggest you look elsewhere. Most third party after-market suspension upgrades are designed to make the ride more firm and not particularly compliant, so that dog won't hunt.
 
I have the 2010 model. I drove a Toyota Avalon for 10 years prior to buying the Genesis and maybe Im spoiled by the really smooth, comfortable ride of the Avalon. So why did I buy a Genesis? I liked its look and I wanted a "sportier" vehicle. If it turns out that having a sportier car means not being comfortable then maybe I'm a guy who should stick to the Avalon/Lexus. I'm just hoping for a choice before going back to Toyota. If a softer spring/shock set is made available I would buy it immediatelly. Do you think those of us who feel the ride is just too taut are in the minority? I'm just waiting for an aftermarket company or even better yet HMA to offer a choice.
 
Vince2 said:
I have the 2010 model. I drove a Toyota Avalon for 10 years prior to buying the Genesis and maybe Im spoiled by the really smooth, comfortable ride of the Avalon. So why did I buy a Genesis? I liked its look and I wanted a "sportier" vehicle. If it turns out that having a sportier car means not being comfortable then maybe I'm a guy who should stick to the Avalon/Lexus. I'm just hoping for a choice before going back to Toyota. If a softer spring/shock set is made available I would buy it immediatelly. Do you think those of us who feel the ride is just too taut are in the minority? I'm just waiting for an aftermarket company or even better yet HMA to offer a choice.
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You are a newbie here. I have been the most vocal person over the last 18 months about problems with the 2009 suspension. Over that time I have been subjected to several assassination attempts (OK, I am exaggerating a little, but not much) over my insistence of keeping this issue alive until we came out the dark ages into the light of the 2010 suspension revisions. So don't give me any of that "Do you think those of us who feel the ride is just too taut are in the minority?"

The vast majority of the suspension complaints are from the 2009 owners, and especially the early 2009 models (some mid-year suspension changes were made to the 2009). If you have a 2010, have lowered air pressure to 31 PSI, and are still unhappy, then the Genesis is probably not for you.

As for Lexus, I think you would be surprised how firm a Lexus GS is. But cars like the Avalon a designed for buyers who want soft smooth ride, and don't care as much about g-forces on corners. The Genesis (North American version anyway) is aspiring to be a BMW 5, Infiniti M, etc, and not a luxo-cruiser. The Equus will be the luxo-cruiser, with the air suspension system and 300+ extra lbs. If the Equus is too expensive, then get a Avalon.
 
Vince2 said:
I have the 2010 model. I drove a Toyota Avalon for 10 years prior to buying the Genesis and maybe Im spoiled by the really smooth, comfortable ride of the Avalon. So why did I buy a Genesis? I liked its look and I wanted a "sportier" vehicle. If it turns out that having a sportier car means not being comfortable then maybe I'm a guy who should stick to the Avalon/Lexus. I'm just hoping for a choice before going back to Toyota. If a softer spring/shock set is made available I would buy it immediatelly. Do you think those of us who feel the ride is just too taut are in the minority? I'm just waiting for an aftermarket company or even better yet HMA to offer a choice.
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Wow I came out of back to back Avalons (03 & 06) and feel very similar. In another forum I made the same statement "I wanted a sportier vehicle" I love everything about the Genesis (early 09) except for the ride. Mine continues to get worse as the OEM tires wear down. I won't swap any suspension or anything since mine is a lease. I am a little over a year in, so I am stuck with my bad choice for a while.
 
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hazelwood7 said:
It was October or November 09 when the part was revised. I did not measure the new sway bar but I can tell you visually that the bar is thicker and the bushings are 2x thicker.
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Does anyone have any more info on this? According to a reply in one of my posts, http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?p=53937#post53937: , the swaybar turned out to be the same. I had already just ordered my replacement before reading this and was just trying to verify.
 
Hyundai seems to have two major problems when it comes to the 2009 suspension problems. #1 They only care about selling cars. After the car is purchased they no longer give a damn about the customer. #2 They have their heads so far up their rears that they can't see that they are losing customers who they fought so hard to get to buy their product. My Genesis is not my first Hyundai and I would probably be trading up to an Equus right now except that I already know how little Hyundai thinks of their customers. I think the suspension should be fixed under warranty. At the very least a package to fix the problem should be offered for sale to us 2009 Genisis owners at a special price. Hyundai does not care about us. I guess my next car will have to be a Lexus since THEY have great customer service. :(
 
bye bye Hyundai !
 
Vince2 said:
I have the 2010 model. I drove a Toyota Avalon for 10 years prior to buying the Genesis and maybe Im spoiled by the really smooth, comfortable ride of the Avalon. So why did I buy a Genesis? I liked its look and I wanted a "sportier" vehicle. If it turns out that having a sportier car means not being comfortable then maybe I'm a guy who should stick to the Avalon/Lexus. I'm just hoping for a choice before going back to Toyota. If a softer spring/shock set is made available I would buy it immediatelly. Do you think those of us who feel the ride is just too taut are in the minority? I'm just waiting for an aftermarket company or even better yet HMA to offer a choice.
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If you don't like the ride of the 2010 Genesis, then it may not be the car for you. Trade it in for a new Avalon.
 
jastylr said:
Does anyone have any more info on this? According to a reply in one of my posts, http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?p=53937#post53937: , the swaybar turned out to be the same. I had already just ordered my replacement before reading this and was just trying to verify.
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They are different. They have different part numbers and the new sway bar has thicker bushings. I had both side by side next to each other and could easily see the difference.
 
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